Transcript: Dr. Céline Gounder on "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan," Aug. 31, 2025 CBSNewsSeptember 1, 2025 at 3:10 AM CBS News The following is the transcript of an interview with Dr.

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The following is the transcript of an interview with Dr. Céline Gounder, CBS News medical contributor and KFF editor-at-large for public health, that aired on "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan" on Aug. 31, 2025.

ED O'KEEFE: We're joined now by Dr. Céline Gounder, CBS News Medical Contributor and the Editor at Large for Public Health at KFF Health News. Doctor, so great to see you. Thanks for coming to Washington for this important conversation. Because it's been a pretty chaotic week at the CDC, to say the least. We've seen the ouster of the head of the agency, who'd only been confirmed by the Senate this summer, she's now mounting a legal challenge to that. Other top officials also departed. They're still reeling from a shooting at the headquarters in Atlanta a few weeks ago. Why are these departures so important to take note of? And how do they affect you, me, and everybody else, in terms of health and medicine?DR. CÉLINE GOUNDER: I think it's really important to understand that this is not just palace intrigue. This really does affect all of us. So not just the director, but the people in charge of respiratory infections, vaccine safety, the Chief Medical Officer, the person who was in charge of public health data also resigned earlier this week. So these are really key positions. Not to mention that a lot of the directors of the different centers, because it's centers plural, have also been forced out over the last several months. So you're really dealing with a leadership vacuum at the CDC. So, this is not business as usual. And so, specifically, how does this affect you and me, folks watching at home? So, first of all, vaccine policy. Vaccine policy is now being made by political fiat and communicated through social media, rather than a transparent, open, scientific review process. And so, we're seeing the reversal of previous recommendations, which will also confuse whether insurance will cover certain vaccines for certain people, and it's already sowing tremendous confusion at pharmacies, as well as doctor's offices.ED O'KEEFE: So, there is a series of meetings coming up regarding the future of vaccines and how they're going to be available, who gets them. Tell us about that and the concerns that some of these, now-former CDC officials had about what might happen at those meetings?DR. GOUNDER: Yeah. So these meetings are scheduled for mid-September. Some of the things on the agenda include the newborn Hepatitis B dose. We typically give it to newborns because that's to prevent transmission from the mother to the baby. So, that's one of the most common ways Hepatitis B is transmitted.ED O'KEEFE: One of the first shots a baby gets.DR. GOUNDER: One of the first shots it gets, for good reason. Also protection for infants, for RSV, one of the most common causes of hospitalization among infants. Number three, the COVID shots. And we expect to see a tightening of availability, eligibility of COVID shots, especially for healthy kids and adults. And then, finally, the combined measles, mumps, rubella varicella vaccine, and revisiting long-standing childhood vaccine recommendations would really be unprecedented, here.ED O'KEEFE: So, it's basically every shot you get from like 0 to 18 is now up for debate, and then the COVID shot, of course, which is an important one for many people on a regular, rolling basis?DR. GOUNDER:Yeah, some really basic things that we have counted on for a very long time. Some of the core concerns with the process involve cherry-picking of data, scientific reviews being altered or pulled, and unvetted studies being rushed into the process, into policy-making. And this is really an inversion of radical transparency.ED O'KEEFE: Yeah. There was a- there's an example in recent days, because there- is we're starting- fall is coming, COVID picks up. We've already seen one example of a school in Kansas City that was forced to shut down temporarily due to COVID, and there have been spikes in Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Texas, especially. What do people at home as the fall approaches and COVID starts to spike?DR. GOUNDER: Well, I think, first of all, vaccinations are for many different purposes. So it's to prevent severe disease, hospitalization, and death. But, for a lot of people, you may not be able to call in sick from work very easily, like for us, it's really hard to take time off even if you really are sick. You might want to keep your kids in school, and so the best way to keep yourself at work or your kids in school is for them to get vaccinated so you and they are not getting sick.ED O'KEEFE: Let's- and we should point out, by the way, that school closed, set to open again on Tuesday, but the fact that they had to close at all, right, as the school year is beginning, is a sign, potentially, of things to come when people don't get their shots. Let's bottom line this. I'm a 42-year-old guy with asthma. Am I going to have issues getting my COVID shot?DR. GOUNDER: You will not, because- even though you're under 65. So the recommendations- or the FDA approval is for people 65 and older, they are all good. They can get their Covid shot. Under 65 if you have at least one risk factor for severe Covid, you can also get your Covid shot. So you can, absolutely. That's not an issue for you, Ed.ED O'KEEFE: But it's- you know, kids under 18, a perfectly healthy spouse, aging parents?--DR. GOUNDER: -- Yes, so aging parents over 65 they're eligible. But say you're between 6 months and 64 years of age and you do not have a risk factor for severe COVID. That is the group where we really have a lot of uncertainty. Now, I should point out, pregnancy is a risk factor for severe COVID. So your healthy wife, let's say she were pregnant, which I don't think she is, but if she were, she would be eligible for a COVID shot.ED O'KEEFE: All right. Dr. Céline Gounder, we love having you to help us understand all this. We appreciate you coming down, good to see you. And we will be right back.

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Taylor Townsend fails to covert 8 match points, falls to Barbora Krejcikova at the US Open BRIAN MAHONEYSeptember 1, 2025 at 12:06 AM 1 / 3US Open TennisTaylor Townsend, of the United States, returns a shot against Barbora Krejcikova, of the Czech Republic, during the fourth round of the U.S.

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1 / 3US Open TennisTaylor Townsend, of the United States, returns a shot against Barbora Krejcikova, of the Czech Republic, during the fourth round of the U.S. Open tennis championships, Sunday, Aug. 31, 2025, in New York. (AP Photo/Pamela Smith)

NEW YORK (AP) — Taylor Townsend couldn't covert eight match points in a second set that ended with a 25-minute tiebreaker and was eliminated from the U.S. Open on Sunday with a 1-6, 7-6 (13), 6-3 loss to Barbora Krejcikova.

With fans chanting "Let's go Taylor! Let's go Taylor!" for a player who became a fan favorite during the tournament after her confrontation with Jelena Ostapenko following her second-round victory, Townsend was repeatedly a point away from what would have been her first Grand Slam quarterfinal.

But Krejcikova, a two-time Grand Slam singles champion, erased seven match points in the tiebreaker, broke Townsend's serve twice in the third set and advanced to face No. 4 seed Jessica Pegula on Tuesday.

Townsend hugged Krejcikova at the net, then sat in her sideline chair and began crying before leaving the court to a standing ovation as she dabbed her eyes with a towel.

In her first 31st Grand Slam appearance, Townsend has never been closer to reaching the last eight. She lost to eventual champion Bianca Andreescu in 2019 in her only other fourth-round appearance.

Townsend remains in the women's doubles tournament as the No. 1-seeded team with Katerina Siniakova — who won a career Grand Slam in doubles with Krejcikova during their partnership.

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Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce 'Are Not in the Wedding Planning Phase Yet' After Engagement: Source (Exclusive) Sarah JonesAugust 31, 2025 at 4:00 PM Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift's proposal photo shoot Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce "have been in celebration mode" ever sin...

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Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce "have been in celebration mode" ever since he proposed, a source close to the couple says

The Grammy winner and the NFL star announced their engagement in an Aug. 26 Instagram post

"Right now they just want to enjoy being engaged," the source adds

Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce are enjoying their newly engaged glow.

"Taylor and Travis have been in celebration mode ever since the engagement," a source close to the couple tells PEOPLE. "They are not in the wedding planning phase yet."

Nearly two years after making their romance public, the Grammy winner and the NFL star, both 35, announced their engagement news in a joint Instagram post on Aug. 26.

"Right now they just want to enjoy being engaged and they are going to take their time with it," the source adds. "It has been a relief not having to keep it a secret anymore, and they are glad it is out in the open."

"Your English teacher and your gym teacher are getting married 🧨," the pair wrote in their announcement, ending the caption with a dynamite emoji, seemingly a reference to their "TNT" nickname.

The couple also shared a carousel of photos from the moment the Kansas City Chiefs tight end popped the question in his backyard — surrounded by a stunning floral arrangement — two weeks before revealing the engagement.

"They were going out to dinner and she was ready to go and he said, 'Let's go out in the garden on the patio and have a glass of wine before we go,'" Kelce's dad Ed said on Australian radio's The Jimmy & Nath Show with Emma. "I think she knew something was up because as they walked out there, she could see, suddenly, there were a lot more flowers out there."

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Ed added: "These are two young people madly in love with each other, and I think this is great."

The source close to the couple previously told PEOPLE that "both families are overjoyed. There were toasts, happy tears and everyone is thrilled for them."

Kelce's mother Donna has been holding onto keepsakes from the milestone moment.

"Donna is already saving little things from this time like photos, notes and flowers," the source told PEOPLE. "She is very sentimental about it. She wants to remember every detail, so she has been holding onto mementos from their first days as an engaged couple."

The engagement news came just weeks after Swift appeared on the New Heights podcast — which Kelce hosts with his brother Jason — to announce that her new album, The Life of a Showgirl, will drop on Oct. 3.

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The end of 'Linsanity': Jeremy Lin retires after trailblazing basketball career Angela YangSeptember 1, 2025 at 2:02 AM Former NBA player Jeremy Lin at Chase Center in San Francisco on Saturday. (Kelley L.

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Former NBA player Jeremy Lin at Chase Center in San Francisco on Saturday. (Kelley L. Cox / Imagn Images)

Jeremy Lin is ready to let the final buzzer sound on a remarkable 15-year basketball career that captured headlines across the globe and for a few weeks in 2012 made New York City the epicenter of the basketball universe.

The NBA icon announced his retirement in an Instagram post Saturday, writing that although he knew the end would come, it was the "hardest decision I've ever made."

"It's been the honor of a lifetime to compete against the fiercest competitors under the brightest lights and to challenge what the world thought was possible for someone who looks like me," Lin, 37, wrote. "I've lived out my wildest childhood dreams to play in front of fans all around the world. I will forever be the kid who felt fully alive every time I touched a basketball."

Lin's career caught fire when he led the New York Knicks to a seven-game winning streak in 2012, his first year as a point guard in the team's starting lineup. "Linsanity" overtook the Big Apple as his performance propelled the Knicks to the 2012 playoffs and turned him into an international phenomenon.

In the wake of his breakout stardom, Lin, then 23, appeared on the covers of Sports Illustrated (for two consecutive weeks) and Time magazine, which named him one of the 100 most influential people in the world.

"He's dispelled the idea that Asian-American guards somehow couldn't hack it in the NBA — and that being a world-class athlete on the court is somehow at odds with being an excellent student off the court," Time wrote of his success.

Lin defied stereotypes as the first American of Chinese or Taiwanese descent to make it to the NBA. By the time he graduated from Harvard University in 2010, the Taiwanese American athlete had become the first player in Ivy League history to record at least 1,450 points throughout his college career.

After graduation, Lin was passed over for the NBA draft in 2010 before signing with his hometown Golden State Warriors as a free agent. After being cut by both the Warriors and the Houston Rockets in 2011, Lin signed with the Knicks at the end of the year.

For the first few weeks of 2012, Lin spent most of his games warming the bench. It wasn't until February that he was given a chance on the court to turn around an abysmal season for the team.

At the height of his "Linsanity" run, he stoked even more audience fervor when he hit a winning 3-pointer against the Toronto Raptors with less than a second left on the clock. Lin also became the first NBA player to score at least 20 points and dole out seven assists in each of his first five starts.

Lin continued his NBA career with stints on the Rockets, the Los Angeles Lakers and the Raptors, among others. While with the Raptors in 2019, he became the first Asian American player to win an NBA championship.

He later took his basketball career across the Pacific to China's Beijing Ducks and Guangzhou Loong Lions, as well as Taiwan's Kaohsiung Steelers and New Taipei Kings, where he ended his career this year as MVP of the Taiwan Professional Basketball League.

"So many people have sacrificed and poured into my journey, more than I could ever repay. Thank you all for believing in me, for walking with me, for celebrating my highs and picking me up in my lows," Lin wrote in his retirement post. "This is a ride I never wanted to end but I know it's time. I will forever miss playing basketball in front of you all but our time will go beyond just playing. Here's to what's ahead."

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Trump faces a hurdle in banning mailin voting: His own Republican Party Matt DixonAugust 31, 2025 at 6:00 PM President Donald Trump says he wants to do away with mailin ballots. Those inside his own fiercely loyal political party aren't so sure that's a good idea.

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Matt DixonAugust 31, 2025 at 6:00 PM

President Donald Trump says he wants to do away with mail-in ballots. Those inside his own fiercely loyal political party aren't so sure that's a good idea.

Earlier this month, Trump continued his long-running criticism of voting by mail, falsely claiming that the United States is the only country that allows such a method and calling the practice "corrupt."

"Your election was rigged because you have mail-in voting," Trump — quoting advice he said he received from Russian President Vladimir Putin — said in a recent interview with Fox News. "It's impossible to have mail-in voting and have honest elections."

In social media posts this month, including one late Saturday, Trump indicated that he could act unilaterally and abolish mail-in balloting through an executive order ahead of the 2026 midterms. It's a method of voting that accounted for 30% of all votes cast during the 2024 general election, according to the U.S. Election Assistance Commission, an independent and bipartisan government group.

Voter turnout by mail exceeded 30% in at least 14 states and the District of Columbia, according to the most recent data available. Trump won half of those states, most of which have Republican governors or secretaries of state overseeing elections. Others, like Arizona and Michigan, have Democrats overseeing elections but are major electoral battlegrounds.

"My view on vote-by-mail is that I think it should be permissible," Michigan state House Majority Leader Bryan Posthumus, a Republican who endorsed Trump last year, said in an interview with NBC News. "But I also believe that currently, the way it exists, specifically in Michigan, it is the highest risk for fraud."

Posthumus' perspective was echoed by nearly a dozen other GOP officials across the country who sympathized with Trump's grievances and agreed that changes to mail-in balloting are necessary. But they question whether Trump could — or should — legally enact a ban. Some also worry a ban could create issues for members of the military who vote overseas and for Republican candidates in states where voting by mail is popular.

"As Trump often does, sometimes he overstates his case," said Paul Dame, chair of the Vermont Republican Party. "I don't think anyone supports a complete elimination. That would disenfranchise men and women overseas. I'm sure that's not his intention."

An executive order? 'I don't know.'

Though Vermont heavily supported Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris last year, more voters there backed Trump in 2024 than in his previous two White House bids, and the state is one of just eight states that automatically sends a mail ballot to all qualified voters. That's where Dame says improvements could be made in his state and others heavily reliant on mail-in ballots.

"A ballot goes out to every address, not every person," he said. "There may or may not be a person who lives at that address. We need to have a clean list."

In Michigan, Posthumus has proposed amending the state constitution to require proof of citizenship to register to vote and a photo ID to cast a ballot.

"We shouldn't just go off and get rid of voting by mail," Posthumus said. "We need to buckle down and secure the weakness and vulnerability in it. … I've always been a proponent that it should be easy to vote and hard to cheat. As long as our vote-by-mail systems are secure, then the access to the ballot box that it allows for is a good thing."

Jim Runestad, a Michigan state senator who also serves as the state's GOP chair, said he hadn't "drilled down into" Trump's posts on voting by mail but believes the president's push, broadly, is "legitimate."

"You have a lot more potential for fraud when you're not voting on Election Day, in person," he added. "That's the safest way to do it."

But if Trump were to sign an executive order banning mail-in voting, plenty of political and legal issues would remain. The Constitution gives the right to each state to determine the "times, places, and manner" of House and Senate elections.

"Whether he can do this by executive order, I don't know," Runestad said. "What the potential legal hurdles are to that, I don't know. But I know that by far the safest voting is in person, with ID."

The president and Congress can pass laws that would override those state-level election laws, but that would be a heavy political lift for Trump and his allies, particularly in the Senate, where Democrats can block legislation.

"Senate Democrats will make sure that any and every measure that would make it even more difficult for Americans to vote will be dead on arrival in the Senate," Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said in a statement responding to Trump's threat to do away with mail-in voting.

'What are you going to do about our military?'

In South Dakota, another state with a high vote-by-mail turnout, GOP Chair Jim Eschenbaum also expressed concern that a ban could unfairly disenfranchise military personnel.

"We can't get rid of vote by mail because we've got military serving, and if anybody deserves a vote in our elections, it's the people that are willing to die for us," Eschenbaum said. "So we can't ban it, but I think it should be limited in the respect that it is somewhat ripe for fraud."

Eschenbaum said he believes the White House "certainly" can dictate election policy for federal elections, but "I would express my concerns to President Trump and ask him, 'What are you gonna do about our military?'"

The White House did not respond to a request to comment for this article. Trump, in a social media post late Saturday, expressed support for exempting the military from any ban.

"Voter I.D. Must Be Part of Every Single Vote," Trump wrote. "NO EXCEPTIONS! I Will Be Doing An Executive Order To That End!!! Also, No Mail-In Voting, Except For Those That Are Very Ill, And The Far Away Military. USE PAPER BALLOTS ONLY!!!"

William Feely, an RNC committeeman from Nebraska, was more open to backing Trump's call for a ban.

"While Nebraska boasts high participation in mail-in ballots, this does not render us immune to vulnerabilities [that] can be exploited," Feely wrote in an email. "Under President Trump's leadership, the RNC is dedicated to building upon our successful election integrity efforts from the 2024 election cycle. We stand ready to support any and all changes to our nation's election laws as directed by the President and Congress."

Over the years, Trump has beat the drum against mail-in voting, but there is little evidence that the practice is plagued with fraud, and there are safeguards that already exist to protect against misuse.

"Before they are counted, election officials vigorously verify the validity of every mail ballot submission, as explained below," the Bipartisan Policy Center says. "Mail ballots suspected of fraudulent activity are set aside for further investigation and, when appropriate, are referred to law enforcement for prosecution."

A database maintained by the conservative Heritage Foundation that tracks election fraud cases includes 217 total criminal convictions for election-related fraud between 2020 and 2025. Those figures include all types of violations, not just those related to mail-in ballots.

Despite little hard evidence that rampant voter fraud exists in any form of voting, the idea of "election integrity" has remained the biggest selling point for Trump as he has pushed for sweeping legal reforms and continues to baselessly claim fraud is what cost him the 2020 presidential election.

"WE WILL BEGIN THIS EFFORT, WHICH WILL BE STRONGLY OPPOSED BY THE DEMOCRATS BECAUSE THEY CHEAT AT LEVELS NEVER SEEN BEFORE, by signing an EXECUTIVE ORDER to help bring HONESTY to the 2026 Midterm Elections," Trump posted on Truth Social on Aug. 18, following his meeting with Putin.

He issued a follow-up post this week: "Republicans: BAN MAIL-IN VOTING!!!"

Trump maintains that voting by mail is used by Democrats to cheat during elections and "steal" races from Republicans, even as Republicans in some states have benefited greatly from the process.

In Ohio, where Trump has won by comfortable margins three times and where the GOP has dominated elections for statewide office for two decades, Republican Secretary of State Frank LaRose has presided over a system that produces few cases of fraud.

After Trump's post about a vote-by-mail ban last week, LaRose spokesperson Ben Kindel said the secretary of state, who won re-election with Trump's endorsement, was "willing to discuss opportunities for improvement.

Kindel also underscored who has the power to institute a ban.

"Changes to Ohio's voting process require a vote of the General Assembly, so I'm sure we'll be talking with them as well," Kindel said.

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